At our church two weeks ago during a sermon, the pastor lost me. It wasn’t because he was expounding on a difficult theological concept. It was because he put his hand behind his head and moved his hand in the sign for talking too much. He conveyed his illustration of a different sermon point with the idea that women talk too much. I was so mad, I didn’t hear anything else he said.
Last weekend I was at my friend’s cabin with a bunch of women and there was a lot of talking. But beyond the normal range of catching up and visiting, a few of the women seemed to dominate the conversation. As in, they got started and would even talk OVER one another.
One night, all I could do was get in a smart aleck comment every so often because they
couldn’t.
stop.
talking.
They wore me right out.
So is the pastor wrong?
Do women talk too much?
Some men talk a lot. That seems to be okay. Does it really matter if some women talk a lot?
Not all women talk a lot And because Christian culture has traditionally been repressive of women, it would be hard to err to far into letting women have a voice.
The pastor, because of his position, is presumed as an example of the viewpoint of his church. If he makes a sarcastic remark in his sermon, this is counted as the church’s position on women: they talk too much. How’s that for a first impression on a visitor? His comment was belittling and condescending to women. It may have been in jest, but he went too far when he made it about all women rather than making it specifically about one woman, ie. his wife (like that’s not a cliché that hasn’t been beaten into the ground — get some new material in that joke book, please.).
My weekend with my friends may have been a non-stop jabberflappy lip-fest, but we had a lot of catching up to do and a limited amount of time in which to do it. We had to talk fast to get it all in! And these chatty women don’t always talk that extensively. This get-away was a safe space to share freely about our lives and what’s been going on.
If that pastor’s opinion is that his wife talks too much, then he should take it up with her. He should not blanket an entire gender because of the traits of one person. And he certainly should not use the pulpit to put down women, who do so much for the church and the people in it. If he was trying to be funny, it was an epic fail. And it pains me to think that someone was visiting and went away thinking that was the church’s position towards women.
…unless that position was accurate, which would force me to become the women’s advocate at that church, because Christ never went out of his way to silence women. If anything, He was about including and validating women. The Church as a whole needs to get it together and acknowledge the vital role women already play. And then it needs to pass out new joke books to all the speaking pastors.
Erica (Peterson) Hunt says
Love it. Good work in posting this. It’s brave of you and I appreciate it!
We’re starting a series on gender for the youth group next week. Our speaking pastor is going to start us off by sharing his ideas on God’s design for gender – why it’s significant (and why it’s not). Then we’ll spend 3 more weeks talking about how the Church and the culture have it so very wrong so much of the time and how we can move towards a more empowering understanding for both males and females (and way less stereotyping!). I’m glad we’re tackling this topic with our youth!
anyway, keep it up, friend!
The Inkubator says
Erica, thank you for reading! And thanks for the encouragement, as always. I’m so happy that you are in there with the youth, tackling tough issues that are so foundational. I’d love to hear more in depth about your series and the conversations that come from it. Keep me posted!
Kraakhead says
Sorry about that TD! Good thoughts….
The Inkubator says
It’s not a huge deal, but after a while don’t ya kindof get tired of being the one to point things out? On the flip side, if I’m thinking it, I can’t be the ONLY one, can I??
marsocmom says
I’m with you, I don’t think it’s truly a gender issue. My husband talks me to death.
The Inkubator says
Thanks for taking time to comment. I agree that all people, regardless of gender, are just different. Some talk more than others, and that’s just how it is. I know quite a few women who have “chatty” husbands. You’re not alone! 🙂